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Subject:Zero Latency Monitoring
AudioCave
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People still aren't quite getting it, how 'revolutionary' (in my view anyway) the UC Zero Latency monitoring is with Studio One and Presonus gear. We (you) really need a definitive real world example video to show this but Johnny does it really well in the video below.
Not a 'contest' between HD and S1 but HD users are still under the mistaken impression that HD is the only host that allows this - in the software UI - for ADA roundtrip monitoring with little effort. Point being, professional audio tracking is *not* typically done through plug-ins, but through great pres with great mics. Studio One (imo) with UC Control is clearly the superior monitoring system out there in native and is arguably better - easier to setup and use - than HD. Nothing else even comes close in native that I can see.
Presonus should really make a video tracking 24 musicians with multiple discreet cue mixes, and make this advantage perfectly clear. IMO this may be the biggest selling point for Studio One. People still don't quite get that this system is - and I say this without hesitation - arguably the best monitoring solution currently out there for an in the box tracking solution.
Great vid Johnny.

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Thanx AC! I too would love to see a full band video that really goes through setting up Zero Latency for each of the musicians.

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Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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I've tried setting up the zero latency on recording,but I still hear a noticeable latency.. Enough to make me switch it back off.. I'm used to my Emu 1820M's Dsp I guess..
Though not used as a plugin, there was absolutely no latency at all... For faster Lyrics true zero latency is important,perhaps slower singers don't get it,but I can hear it..Maybe I'm missing something??
I'll watch the video again,but I'm almost positive that I'm setting it up exactly as shown...
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You will not hear the Zero Latency out of the speakers. You need to have the headphones plugged in to the output you are monitoring from. The Zero latency is only effected by what ever is setup up as a cue mix.
Now you could set the main outs as a cue mix and only then will you get the zero latency out of the main monitors. When you go to the output section in the Song Setup, click the cue mix for the mains and you'll see the 'Z' show up on the main outs.

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Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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I like the unambiguous nature of your video. The way you had the latency 'online' audibly was great. That system - and the way S1 interfaces with it directly - is only a couple of development steps away from perfection...
  • Allow switching the Z's and the locks on/off by channel selection, multiple channels at once. If you unlock and/or click the Z on one, all selected tracks cue sends follow.

  • Flip the faders to cues for building the cue mixes.

  • Default all of the 'Z's' to on (and maybe all locks to off) instead of off/on when creating 'send' cues when they exist. Assume zero latency and unlocked as the default when you have that proprietary pairing.

  • Add those 3 things and it will be dead perfect in 2.0... imo... from the fanboy peanut gallery.

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    AudioCave wrote:I like the unambiguous nature of your video. The way you had the latency 'online' audibly was great. That system - and the way S1 interfaces with it directly - is only a couple of development steps away from perfection...
  • Allow switching the Z's and the locks on/off by channel selection, multiple channels at once. If you unlock and/or click the Z on one, all selected tracks cue sends follow.

  • Flip the faders to cues for building the cue mixes.

  • Default all of the 'Z's' to on instead of off when creating cues when they exist. Assume zero latency as the default when you have that proprietary pairing.

  • Add those 3 things and it will be dead perfect in 2.0... imo... from the fanboy peanut gallery.

    Thanx man and I totally agree with your other thoughts! It is close to being a perfect solution. I say we feed the FR, eh?

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    Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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    AudioCave wrote:I like the unambiguous nature of your video. The way you had the latency 'online' audibly was great. That system - and the way S1 interfaces with it directly - is only a couple of development steps away from perfection...
  • Allow switching the Z's and the locks on/off by channel selection, multiple channels at once. If you unlock and/or click the Z on one, all selected tracks cue sends follow.

  • Flip the faders to cues for building the cue mixes.

  • Default all of the 'Z's' to on (and maybe all locks to off) instead of off/on when creating 'send' cues when they exist. Assume zero latency and unlocked as the default when you have that proprietary pairing.

  • Add those 3 things and it will be dead perfect in 2.0... imo... from the fanboy peanut gallery.

    There used to be a limitation with zero latency monitoring when you have two or more Firestudios chained together. Is that still the case?

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    Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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    bedstrom wrote:
    AudioCave wrote:I like the unambiguous nature of your video. The way you had the latency 'online' audibly was great. That system - and the way S1 interfaces with it directly - is only a couple of development steps away from perfection...
  • Allow switching the Z's and the locks on/off by channel selection, multiple channels at once. If you unlock and/or click the Z on one, all selected tracks cue sends follow.

  • Flip the faders to cues for building the cue mixes.

  • Default all of the 'Z's' to on (and maybe all locks to off) instead of off/on when creating 'send' cues when they exist. Assume zero latency and unlocked as the default when you have that proprietary pairing.

  • Add those 3 things and it will be dead perfect in 2.0... imo... from the fanboy peanut gallery.

    There used to be a limitation with zero latency monitoring when you have two or more Firestudios chained together. Is that still the case?

    Yes. Zero Latency is not available in S1 with 2 or more units chained and I believe that's even if they are the same unit. I know it doesn't work with my FS Tube and FS Mobile chained. However chaining these 2 makes for a pretty powerful system overall.
    BUT that only applies to using it with Studio One. Using the Universal Control directly still works though.

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    Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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    bedstrom wrote:There used to be a limitation with zero latency monitoring when you have two or more Firestudios chained together. Is that still the case?

    I had no idea that was the case. I only have the one device.
    I can see why there might be some issues doing that but if you can do it from the actual software mixer (dunno), combine inputs from various devices to outputs that 'cross over' to other devices (input A to output B at zero latency etc) via a single mixer control panel, not sure why the driver couldn't allow doing the same via remote control. How does that work from the UC mixer now? Can you bring inputs from device A to the analog outputs of device B? If the 'patching across units' is possible there I think it may also be in the driver one day similarly.
    Either way, the FS Lightpipe looks darned good to me. With 32 I/O and multiple nice 8 channel pres on the market that spit out ADAT... win/win.

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    Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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    AudioCave wrote:
    bedstrom wrote:There used to be a limitation with zero latency monitoring when you have two or more Firestudios chained together. Is that still the case?

    I had no idea that was the case. I only have the one device.
    Either way, the FS Lightpipe looks darned good to me. With 32 I/O and multiple nice 8 channel pres on the market that spit out ADAT... win/win.

    Exactly. That would be the way to go for a large zero latency monitoring setup. Or maybe a Studio Live 34 board...
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    Subject:Re:Zero Latency Monitoring
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    bedstrom wrote:That would be the way to go for a large zero latency monitoring setup.

    I've been temped but I'd hate to do that and see a new Presonus PCI card 2 months later. I prefer PCI (for desktops of course) so I'll wait and see what the future may bring or not.
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    I used the big 'Z' this week end and everyhting went ezaxctly as planned. I was able to have the main mix and send an addtional mix to the singer that was mixed to his liking. No issues with latency what so ever.
    Signal chain was
    (Rode M-3) Mic > M-Audio Tampa Preamp/Comp > SPDIF out > FS Mobile SPDIF in = Awesome results.
    Thanks Jonny, You video was very educational and everyone involved was very happy with the resulting tracks.
    What I couldn't believe was how easy it was to put a cue mix together.
    Looking forward to the next session.
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    themuzic wrote:You will not hear the Zero Latency out of the speakers. You need to have the headphones plugged in to the output you are monitoring from. The Zero latency is only effected by what ever is setup up as a cue mix.
    Now you could set the main outs as a cue mix and only then will you get the zero latency out of the main monitors. When you go to the output section in the Song Setup, click the cue mix for the mains and you'll see the 'Z' show up on the main outs.

    Hi themusik,
    Again thanks for making these video's,they are indeed very fun and easy to watch.. I have set it up exactly like you've got it..I'm monitoring from the headphones,but still hear a latency.. I'm using your method described,along with a Monitor station,and an HP4..
    It's pretty darn close,to zero latency,but I can still hear it...This is with the Z button engaged.. As soon as I set it up without a cue mix though,the regular way.. Enabling the UC mixer and without the blue monitoring button on,I hear it without any latency..
    So unless there's something else going on,on my setup, I'm almost there,but not quite as good as the regular old way..
    Thanks again for the video's,you do an excellent job.
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    bobbybland wrote:
    themuzic wrote:You will not hear the Zero Latency out of the speakers. You need to have the headphones plugged in to the output you are monitoring from. The Zero latency is only effected by what ever is setup up as a cue mix.
    Now you could set the main outs as a cue mix and only then will you get the zero latency out of the main monitors. When you go to the output section in the Song Setup, click the cue mix for the mains and you'll see the 'Z' show up on the main outs.

    Hi themusik,
    Again thanks for making these video's,they are indeed very fun and easy to watch.. I have set it up exactly like you've got it..I'm monitoring from the headphones,but still hear a latency.. I'm using your method described,along with a Monitor station,and an HP4..
    It's pretty darn close,to zero latency,but I can still hear it...This is with the Z button engaged.. As soon as I set it up without a cue mix though,the regular way.. Enabling the UC mixer and without the blue monitoring button on,I hear it without any latency..
    So unless there's something else going on,on my setup, I'm almost there,but not quite as good as the regular old way..
    Thanks again for the video's,you do an excellent job.

    Ok, if you're using the monitor station, you need to make sure that the output feeding it is in fact coming from the output setup for the cue mix. The output needs to go to ST2 on the Monitor Station and any headphones need to be set up as well. If you're still hearing latency, there's still something you have yet to configure because there is no 'Almost'.
    What I would do first, is test with just the headphone out of the actual sound card and not the Monitor Station. If you can get that to work, use that headphone out to feed the Monitor Stations ST2 and then make sure the Monitor Station's headphones are set to its cue mix.

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    Thanks for the great video. I am super frustrated by the limitation in Studio One that you have discussed - ZL monitoring only works on the first unit. To make things worse, the serial numbers of the units determine the order, so my FS Tube (with more and more flexible inputs) is always the second unit, and the FS Project is the first. I was going to switch to Studio One, but ZL is a key requirement for me. If I stay with my current DAW (Acid Pro) and use the Universal Control to feed two monitor mixes, one from each FS, into the A and B channels of my HP60 headphone monitoring units, I can get zero latency on all 18 mic pres. I get less flexibility for custom mixes, but I can send individual channels to additional monitor outs, and plug them into the additional ins on the HP60 for 'more me'.
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    How you listen to yourself while you record is critical to getting a good performance, and dialing in a monitor mix can be one of the initial sources of frustration for engineers and musicians alike. The good news is that almost every audio interface provides some level of personal monitoring ability. This article will cover the most common types of low-latency personal monitoring solutions available on audio interfaces today. While we’ll be using PreSonus® audio interfaces as examples because we know them best, these principles can be applied to any audio interface that provides similar monitoring solutions to the ones described here.

    First things first: Let’s talk about the problem. We can sum it up in a single word: Latency. And once you know what latency is and how it works, it gets easier to find your way around it while monitoring your performances when you’re recording.

    Latency is the time it takes for the sound you are generating to come back to your headphones, and many things impact it. But basically, everything between your guitar, for example, and your headphones, needs a little time to perform its function, and that time adds up.

    The most significant contributor to latency is the buffer size you’ve set in your DAW. Depending on your audio driver, this buffer size can be set from 16 to 4,096 samples. The buffer size determines the amount of time you are allocating for your computer to process the incoming information. This time adds to the delay between what you are recording and what you are hearing. We know what you’re thinking: “But 16 samples isn’t that long….”

    And that’s precisely the problem. Depending on how fast your computer is and how much RAM it has, 16 samples might not be enough time for it to do everything it must to record and playback audio. When you don’t allocate enough time for your computer to do its job, it will insert artifacts (pops, clicks, distortion) into your recording.

    As a general rule, the lower the buffer size, the harder your computer is going to have to work. So, if you decide to monitor through your DAW, you will have to contend with some amount of latency. Studio One provides some relief for this problem with native low-latency monitoring. Studio One’s audio-engine latency management allows you to better manage your system buffers. The result is faster performance and better stability, including flexible dropout protection that reduces the risk of audio dropouts in CPU-heavy songs, even at minimal buffer settings. This is made possible by separating the processing cycles for audio monitoring, virtual instrument monitoring, and playback.

    Depending on the settings for Device Block Size and Dropout Protection, native low-latency monitoring can be achieved even with complex songs using many plug-ins and virtual instruments. Higher Dropout Protection settings result in a larger block-size for playback, while smaller Device Block Size settings result in lower audio and virtual instrument monitoring latency.

    Many audio-interface manufacturers have solved the problem of monitoring latency through a DAW by providing zero-latency or low-latency monitoring solutions onboard their interfaces. That is what the rest of this article will explain.

    No matter which manufacturer’s product you are using, you may have heard the term 'Direct Monitoring.' This refers to the ability to monitor your input signal directly from the interface before it goes to your DAW. This removes the biggest chunk of processing time and allows you to hear your input source almost instantaneously.

    There are essentially four ways that Direct Monitoring is accomplished:

    • A blend control
    • A switch
    • A simple DSP mixer
    • A more complex DSP mixer

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    Each of these solutions has unique benefits. Let’s take a closer look at how to get a great mix with each one.

    Some DAWs, like Studio One, enable software monitoring by default. Because you’ll be monitoring your input from your interface, you’ll want to turn that off in order to prevent hearing your low-latency input signal blended with your latent input signal coming from your DAW. In Studio One, it’s as simple as clicking on the monitor button on the track. Check the documentation that came with your DAW to find out how to turn this off. You’ll want software monitoring disabled regardless of which direct monitoring solution your audio interface employs.

    Option 1: The Blend Control

    One of the easiest solutions is to simply blend the analog input signal with the playback from the computer. The simple analog Mixer knob on the front panel of the PreSonus AudioBox USB 96, AudioBox iTwo, and Studio 24c allows you to blend the analog (pre-converter) input signal with the stereo playback stream from the computer.

    If you’re thinking this sounds like a crossfader on a DJ mixer, you’re spot on. In this case, you’re crossfading between your inputs and your playback. The further to the left you turn the knob, the larger the percentage of the input signal is in your mix. The further to the right you turn it, the more playback you will hear.

    To dial in your monitor mix, you just set a good recording level in your DAW and adjust the blend knob to taste.

    Option 2: The Direct Monitoring Switch

    A similar solution is utilized by the AudioBox iOne, Studio 26c, and Studio 68c. These interfaces provide a Direct Monitor switch that sums the analog signal with the playback streams, giving you an equal mix of the two.

    To dial in your monitor mix, set a good recording level for your input and adjust the output level of the playback from your DAW by raising or lowering the Main output level of your DAW to taste using the main fader in your DAW console.

    Option 3: The Simple DSP Mixer

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    More advanced interfaces, like the Studio 1810c and Studio 1824c, provide onboard DSP that allows you to create a basic monitor mix. This is where things get a lot more flexible and a little more complicated. What makes the DSP mixer solution seem daunting is that all the connections are invisible, so it can make it difficult to understand how all the audio is routed.

    Let’s take a closer look at the Studio 1810c.

    What if we told you that the monitoring solution that came with your Studio 1810c looked like this:

    Note: For the sake of simplicity, this illustration omits the digital I/O available on the Studio 1810.

    While the mixer in the illustration above exists in the software domain only, its functions are essentially the same as the analog mixer in our example. The mixer in UC Surface is hardwired with input signals from the Studio 1810c and the output signals from your DAW. These sources are then summed into three different stereo mixes.

    When UC Surface is enabled, the outputs from your DAW always go through UC Surface first before they are sent out the physical outputs of your Studio 1810c. The inputs of your Studio 1810c are split as shown below:

    Option 4: The Complex DSP Mixer

    Some interfaces, like the Studio 192 Mobile and Studio 192, provide powerful onboard DSP with most of the functions one would find on a digital console. Anyone who has recorded using a PreSonus StudioLive® mixer (or anyone who has tracked with any mixer, for that matter) knows how important it is to be able to record a track while hearing effects, as well as compression and equalization. For example, if reverb on a vocal is going to be part of the final mix, it’s almost impossible to record the vocal “dry” because phrasing and timing are totally different when you can’t hear the duration and decay of the reverb.

    The Studio 192 and Studio 192 Mobile provide the same user experience as monitoring through an outboard mixer, without the additional cost, complexity, and cabling that kind of setup entails. These devices are equipped with a powerful onboard DSP that is capable of running 16 instances of the Studio One Fat Channel plug-in, plus reverb and delay.

    Just like the simple DSP mixer, a complex DSP mixer like the one used by the Studio 192 and Studio 192 Mobile provides the same features as an inline digital mixer. In this way, you can create a professional sounding monitor mix.

    Because the Fat Channel processing can be printed while recording, the Studio 192 and Studio 192 Mobile provide another unique benefit: If you like the sound of the audio in your headphones, you can choose to record exactly that sound, leaving your gate, compression, and EQ processing a permanent part of your audio.

    The rest of this section will provide a step-by-step tutorial on dialing in a monitor mix using a Studio 192 or Studio 192 Mobile. Again, these same steps can be used for any Studio-series interface. The Fat Channel processing, however, is unique to these products.

    Step 1: Gain Staging

    The first step is to set the input level of your source. This should be set by using the metering in your DAW, not UC Surface. For more information on Gain Staging methodology, please see this article.

    Step 2: Select Your Mix

    Select the mix with which you’d like to start. For our tutorial, we will be starting with Mix 1/2.

    Step 3: Set Your Channel Level

    Raise the fader until you have a good level for your mix.

    Step 4: Set Your Pan

    Adjusting the panning of your channel can make it more present in the mix by giving it room to stand out among the other channels. Setting the pan position to center for every channel can cause comb filtering and distortion, so taking a few extra minutes to dial in the pan position for your channels is worth the effort.

    Step 5: Dial in Your Dynamics and EQ

    Select your channel and adjust the gate, compression, and EQ to taste.

    Step 6: Decide if You Want to Print

    If you like what you hear, you can engage the Post Send button. This will record the signal exactly as you are hearing it, gate, compression, EQ, and all.

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    Step 7: Add Some Reverb

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    Click on the FX A Mix and raise the fader to set the amount of reverb you’d like to add.